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		<title>By: It’s your career, lead it! &#171; Testastic</title>
		<link>http://angryweasel.com/blog/?p=469&#038;cpage=1#comment-18744</link>
		<dc:creator>It’s your career, lead it! &#171; Testastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alan Page</title>
		<link>http://angryweasel.com/blog/?p=469&#038;cpage=1#comment-15520</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My thought is that it almost always sucks for the employee - especially at lower levels. More senior employees tend (imo) to get the benefit of the doubt and often get middle-of-the-packed regardless of whether they&#039;re fire-fodder or a star.

As I think about it - the manager shuffle has a bigger effect on promotion velocity than actual curve ranking. Both suffer, but I rarely see a manager willing to promote someone who&#039;s only worked for them for a few months - and when we expect employees at lower levels to move up or out, it can have a long lating effect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thought is that it almost always sucks for the employee &#8211; especially at lower levels. More senior employees tend (imo) to get the benefit of the doubt and often get middle-of-the-packed regardless of whether they&#8217;re fire-fodder or a star.</p>
<p>As I think about it &#8211; the manager shuffle has a bigger effect on promotion velocity than actual curve ranking. Both suffer, but I rarely see a manager willing to promote someone who&#8217;s only worked for them for a few months &#8211; and when we expect employees at lower levels to move up or out, it can have a long lating effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://angryweasel.com/blog/?p=469&#038;cpage=1#comment-15496</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 06:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alan, do you have thoughts on the &quot;I had &#039;n&#039; managers this year&quot;, where &#039;n&#039; &gt;2, situation? I hear about this a lot, and the result at review time is usually not good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, do you have thoughts on the &#8220;I had &#8216;n&#8217; managers this year&#8221;, where &#8216;n&#8217; &gt;2, situation? I hear about this a lot, and the result at review time is usually not good.</p>
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		<title>By: X11::GUITESTER</title>
		<link>http://angryweasel.com/blog/?p=469&#038;cpage=1#comment-15366</link>
		<dc:creator>X11::GUITESTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the Army&#039;s HR system in which you shall not receive derogatory ratings unless you have documentation to back it up, meaning counselings.  Also, newer employees get additional counseling during their first years with special evaluations with added feedback.

And yes, the military does go thru its periods that people get layed off, I&#039;m thinking of after the first Gulf War in the 90s.

HR and evaluations is quite an art in reflecting true value without demoralizing people.  That&#039;s why good managers are so important.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the Army&#8217;s HR system in which you shall not receive derogatory ratings unless you have documentation to back it up, meaning counselings.  Also, newer employees get additional counseling during their first years with special evaluations with added feedback.</p>
<p>And yes, the military does go thru its periods that people get layed off, I&#8217;m thinking of after the first Gulf War in the 90s.</p>
<p>HR and evaluations is quite an art in reflecting true value without demoralizing people.  That&#8217;s why good managers are so important.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Western (@Veretax)</title>
		<link>http://angryweasel.com/blog/?p=469&#038;cpage=1#comment-15344</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Western (@Veretax)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been on the end of that curve before.  I totally agree that manager and worker need to work together on communication and review processes.  Unfortunately I recently fell through a hole in the review process.   The company I was working for only mandated reviews once a year.  I worked two different projects for two different managers in one year, and the earlier one I had moved all I could to see that project succeed, but in the end it was the later manager tasked with reviewing me.

I actually might have accepted this if it were not for the fact that when I saw my written review this past April, there were some things identified which I felt were important issues that needed to be addressed.  Then I heard generally that the review had been sat on since January and immediately alerts started going off in my head.  

Could I have done more there?  Maybe.  But I came to the conclusion that I wasn&#039;t a fit for the culture of that team which hardly communicated at all about anything of substance, with everyone going off into their own little bunker to do their perceived tasking.   

Personally, up until that point I was working hard to provide and show my value to the company, but when it became clear that for some reason I would be unable to achieve that which I felt was necessary to succeed, then it was time to move on, for me.

Could I have done more to be more proactive in this area?  Yeah I could have, I&#039;m partially culpable in this case, and it is something I&#039;ll remember the rest of my life, but at some point, a manager has to make himself available to his employees too.  I don&#039;t know if you run into that sort of problem at MS, but it&#039;s ultimately what compelled me it was time to move elsewhere.  I just wasn&#039;t a fit on this particular team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been on the end of that curve before.  I totally agree that manager and worker need to work together on communication and review processes.  Unfortunately I recently fell through a hole in the review process.   The company I was working for only mandated reviews once a year.  I worked two different projects for two different managers in one year, and the earlier one I had moved all I could to see that project succeed, but in the end it was the later manager tasked with reviewing me.</p>
<p>I actually might have accepted this if it were not for the fact that when I saw my written review this past April, there were some things identified which I felt were important issues that needed to be addressed.  Then I heard generally that the review had been sat on since January and immediately alerts started going off in my head.  </p>
<p>Could I have done more there?  Maybe.  But I came to the conclusion that I wasn&#8217;t a fit for the culture of that team which hardly communicated at all about anything of substance, with everyone going off into their own little bunker to do their perceived tasking.   </p>
<p>Personally, up until that point I was working hard to provide and show my value to the company, but when it became clear that for some reason I would be unable to achieve that which I felt was necessary to succeed, then it was time to move on, for me.</p>
<p>Could I have done more to be more proactive in this area?  Yeah I could have, I&#8217;m partially culpable in this case, and it is something I&#8217;ll remember the rest of my life, but at some point, a manager has to make himself available to his employees too.  I don&#8217;t know if you run into that sort of problem at MS, but it&#8217;s ultimately what compelled me it was time to move elsewhere.  I just wasn&#8217;t a fit on this particular team.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Page</title>
		<link>http://angryweasel.com/blog/?p=469&#038;cpage=1#comment-15324</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All, unfortunately true - in theory at least. But save those thoughts for comments when I actually write about the curve, and not the message.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All, unfortunately true &#8211; in theory at least. But save those thoughts for comments when I actually write about the curve, and not the message.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://angryweasel.com/blog/?p=469&#038;cpage=1#comment-15323</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Imagine if you found your dream position in Microsoft.  Something that you were the most passionate of any job at Microsoft and would give everything to make it the best product for customers.  Consider that everyone wanted you on the team.  And then realize that everyone in your band was a superstar - producing more, driving ideas better, collaborating with partners like rock stars.  And then imagine a forced curve to the bottom of the curve.  Dreams shot, passion gone, realization that the dream could not be sustained and popping the enthusiasm of the dream job like the hindenburg crash]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine if you found your dream position in Microsoft.  Something that you were the most passionate of any job at Microsoft and would give everything to make it the best product for customers.  Consider that everyone wanted you on the team.  And then realize that everyone in your band was a superstar &#8211; producing more, driving ideas better, collaborating with partners like rock stars.  And then imagine a forced curve to the bottom of the curve.  Dreams shot, passion gone, realization that the dream could not be sustained and popping the enthusiasm of the dream job like the hindenburg crash</p>
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		<title>By: Marlena</title>
		<link>http://angryweasel.com/blog/?p=469&#038;cpage=1#comment-15322</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 04:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for writing this article on reviews and &quot;surprises&quot; that has something for managers and employees.  

While I read your posts mostly from an employee perspective, I&#039;ve known some managers that could really use this type of guidance, especially in QA.  I hope you continue writing posts that are helpful for managers (and employees).

Beth&#039;s case resonates strongly with me, not because of her surprise but because she tried to figure out what would be expected of her from management.  Whenever I&#039;ve tried to do this, I&#039;ve always found it worth my time and it has always been appreciated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for writing this article on reviews and &#8220;surprises&#8221; that has something for managers and employees.  </p>
<p>While I read your posts mostly from an employee perspective, I&#8217;ve known some managers that could really use this type of guidance, especially in QA.  I hope you continue writing posts that are helpful for managers (and employees).</p>
<p>Beth&#8217;s case resonates strongly with me, not because of her surprise but because she tried to figure out what would be expected of her from management.  Whenever I&#8217;ve tried to do this, I&#8217;ve always found it worth my time and it has always been appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Page</title>
		<link>http://angryweasel.com/blog/?p=469&#038;cpage=1#comment-15321</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 04:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree completely. I&#039;m currently losing sleep (literally) over a review rating a peer of mine is getting, and how the system worked against them. Up until recently, the &#039;quota&#039; system wasn&#039;t as bad. Believe it or not, it was worse last year...

But I&#039;m probably foreshadowing an upcoming post too much now, so I&#039;ll leave it at that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely. I&#8217;m currently losing sleep (literally) over a review rating a peer of mine is getting, and how the system worked against them. Up until recently, the &#8216;quota&#8217; system wasn&#8217;t as bad. Believe it or not, it was worse last year&#8230;</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m probably foreshadowing an upcoming post too much now, so I&#8217;ll leave it at that.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Crispin</title>
		<link>http://angryweasel.com/blog/?p=469&#038;cpage=1#comment-15320</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Crispin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 04:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the &#039;no surprises&#039; idea, but performance reviews in general do way more harm than good. And the idea of grading employees on a curve - why wouldn&#039;t you have intended to hire only really great people? Why would you have hired any that didn&#039;t have the best possible attitude and mindset, and given them the time and support they need to make their maximum contribution? I&#039;ve never understood this corporate idea that there needs to be some kind of &#039;competition&#039; among employees. 

And I say this as someone who has pretty much always received the top rating throughout her career. The system actually works well for me personally. But we should be spending our energy shortening the feedback loop not only for our software quality, but for our teammates to be able to improve individually and together.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the &#8216;no surprises&#8217; idea, but performance reviews in general do way more harm than good. And the idea of grading employees on a curve &#8211; why wouldn&#8217;t you have intended to hire only really great people? Why would you have hired any that didn&#8217;t have the best possible attitude and mindset, and given them the time and support they need to make their maximum contribution? I&#8217;ve never understood this corporate idea that there needs to be some kind of &#8216;competition&#8217; among employees. </p>
<p>And I say this as someone who has pretty much always received the top rating throughout her career. The system actually works well for me personally. But we should be spending our energy shortening the feedback loop not only for our software quality, but for our teammates to be able to improve individually and together.</p>
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